It's Springtime! Vagaries of the winds of war in the Churches of God are beginning to subside. Member allegiances, ministerial alliances, ownership of church real estate, territory and property continue to coalesce. Division of the spoils of the UCG-COGaWA war and reconstruction of what is left is on the horizon, if not already here.
After the war - with money at such a premium, what better time is there to restart UCG's website. United's tattered, old website is getting laid to rest, while a new and improved UCG website gets debugged, ready for action.
Here's the new UCG website marketing strategy, guaranteed to start high school dropout, adman and WCG founder Herbert W. Armstrong spinning in his grave, at warp speed:
UCG requires a validated email to register for their new website features, such as personal profile creation, connecting with website chat features, or messaging. It says that they "will NEVER give away your information to anybody else - we promise!". (Ed: Does "NEVER" include not giving it away to that soon coming Assyrian-German army, invading to spank the United? Ouch!)
Some new UCG website features:
· Website user accounts.
· Author pages with bio information, photo and content produced by that author.
· Online chat with other website user account friends.
· Better search engine.
· Mobile version.
· MP3 recordings of various booklets and publications.
· Recipe section (biblically clean).
· Commenting on posted content. (They can't really mean this, can they?)
· UCG congregation finder (by zip code).
· Highest UCG contributors by zip code, congregation or pastor. (No, not really.)
· Ministerial salaries, bonuses and benefit payouts by rank or longevity. (Is that asking too much?)
In this new website religious marketing scheme, UCG membership are expected to "encourage" one another, or anyone else that shows up at the website, forming a sticky glue of online connections. Every relationship click to click to click of all 5,000 members of the UCG can be tracked, documents downloaded, database inquires analyzed, tithe records checked, online chat buzz monitored for dissident views. What's next, UCG online disfellowship?
What UCG really wants to know is what happens when someone completely new shows up at the website; how much it costs and how long it takes to get them seated in a folding chair, loyally tithing every Saturday. One problem with that UCG church growth scenario is that Herbert W. Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong and the UCG's predecessor church, the Worldwide Church of God is now a failed and tarnished brand in the religious landscape. The Internet has a long and detailed memory of the fraudulent disaster that was Pasadena, back in the WCG's "good old days".
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Oh darn! And me just now figuring out Mega Menu navigation! For the site refuting British Israelism using DNA!
Time will tell, but I failed to see anything in those topics relating to mental illness and I think that is a significant oversight, given that the entire religion is based on an insane psychotic premise.
So we've upped the technological stakes. Does this mean that the minimum access to the site will require an Intel I7 Q720 with Windows 7 64bit? Will it be better seen on i-pad or in Internet Explorer 9 or Google Chrome 10?
This is all part of the over all push to preach using the Internet and hopefully reach China. I expect that will go as well as their push to go to India five years ago.
The question remains, who is the real target audience? Are they lapsing into an incestuous relationship dedicated to their own more prosperous members to get them to fantasize that they are doing great things to get out the gospel, when, in fact, they are only impressing themselves?
What of the gospel going to those in third world countries, such as are now served by the Seventh Day Church of God publication, The Herald of Truth?
And just think of virtualizing church services replete with all those wonderful Armstrong hymns! You don't have to go anywhere! You can stay and home and fellowship with all the other members online! No human contact necessary! It certainly saves a lot of money that would be wasted renting halls and even getting those Feast site contracts!
May 2011, eh? Too late to cancel the Feast sites for this year, but what with gasoline getting to be $4.00 per gallon just by May, think of the chaos it will be by 2012! Cancel the Feast sites! Stay at home and keep the Feast! One wonders how virtual footwashing will work!?!
Ah, the technological wonders for those who are rich and increased in hardware / software and have need of nothing!
The handwriting seems to be on the wall. The handwriting isn't about going to an all technological virtual church preparing a virtual people.
The handwriting on the wall has everything to do with being measured and found wanting.
I doubt virtual repentance is going to be acceptable.
Churches of God love to brag and spin tall tales about delivering so much of what they have to say on the web, because it's a major cost cutter for a television and AM radio based church. Printed literature is very expensive to buy and mail. Television is getting less affordable with the spendable dollars that remain.
Now it's possible to get all of Armstrong's formerly secret beliefs out in the open with a few mouse clicks, so Armstrong's bit by bit conversion model (read: brainwashing method) has to change. All the playing cards have to be laid out on the table, with no doctrinal "aces" hidden up the sleeve. No worry about that - there's a new sucker born every minute.
Dave Pack was a case in point from Gary Scott's XCG blog. Pack can't afford television, so he brags about the internet, while keeping his members off of it.
What can be hyped? Number of hits, new visitors, return visitors, downloaded literature, downloaded prophecy booklets, for example - all of the ways web data collection can be analyzed which corporations expect to turn into growth, value, brand goodwill, or income streams.
Based on bottom line results, it's reminiscent of the internet bubble where companies were overvalued IPOs destined to become worthless stock.
The bottom line is, the Churches of God are no longer growing in real members. They are dying off and shrinking. If they aren't, point to the facts that prove it.
Same thing for Tkach's designer GCI scheme.The real stories of Herbert and Garner Ted Armstrong, not their carefully crafted public images, sowed the ultimate seeds of destruction.
Aging member demographics, a costly Medicare age ministry, and young people leaving the COGs as fast as they can support this lack of real growth premise. Spinning tall tales about internet growth doesn't. I suspect the bulk of the traffic generated comes from Worldwiders checking their own brand and other COGs out, not from a demand for the free product offered.
Behind the scenes though, there are some of us discussing the fact that there seems to be something going on. Some of us are speculating that with more closed websites as the UCG site appears to becoming, many Churches of God are beginning to wind up "The Work" because they believe the End is Coming, whatever that can mean. They view the world as being full of "End Time Events" which they now believe are signalling that they are about to WIN really BIG and that the proof they were right all along is going to be evident to the whole world shortly.
And I wonder if the CoGs will begin engaging in dangerous behavior as a result, such as convincing members to dump everything they have into their particular sect?
The COGs can be placed on a spectrum, with individual freedom or choice towards the left side, to totalitarian control towards the right. In this model, the RCG of the fifties would be placed to the far right side of the spectrum, with the WCG of the seventies more to the left. HWA’s “back on track” policy 1980-1986 shifts the WCG back more towards the right.
In 2011, an outside observer would place Flurry to the far right of the spectrum, and Pack somewhere in that vicinity. The UCG, run to some extent by group consensus, with discrete terms of office, would fall somewhere on the left hand side of the continuum. LCG, controlled by Meredith’s one-man rule, would somewhere to the right of UCG.
A similar comparison could be made in terms of current web sites. COGaWA’s website is developing some content, but is still in preliminary stages of deployment.
The last time I checked, Hulme appeared to have more of a closed website stance, with less information available to outsiders.
UCG’s new website is in beta stage. It looks to be in more of the open and up front category. There is no more Ambassador College for the graduates to secretly hide the Church behind anymore. What is most intriguing about the site is how registered UCG members may chat up to recruit the more casual non-member visitors, and what will be visible to both.
The “End Time” has always been coming to humankind with each passing day, since the beginning of life, where we like it or not. Science predicts the demise and collapse of our solar system one day. What will we do then? We are allotted only a short span of life in the greater context of time. Faced with our own mortality, people want to assign meaning to life, and imagine an immortal happiness of one sort or another.
One thing that is certain about life is that it is very uncertain. Life in the 1700s was far different than in the 1800s, than in the 1900s, than in 2000, and it will undoubtedly be far different in 3000 than we could possible imagine today, by any stretch of the imagination. Futurists have severe difficulty correctly projecting the future only a few months or years out. One only needs to look back at some of the dire predictions of the seventies to understand the magnitude of the difficulty. Perhaps what is more of a constant variable in this are the essential characteristics of humankind.
Uncertainty in life has always been a given. The future is even less certain, where the unknowns greatly outnumber the known. People love certainty, because it reduces risk, and the fear of the unknown happening. At the same time, fear of the unknown in life can be exploited to advantage. Religion has exploited the use of fear and uncertainty since time immemorial; but so has business, and politics. Uncertainty and fear about food supplies, economic issues, natural disasters, disease epidemics, and likelihood of war can always be exploited. Witness the ads telling people to put their money in gold, precious metals, real estate, or other “surefire” investments to play on the fear of paper money becoming worthless in the future. Politicians can demagog playing their fear card, when an economy crumbles and survival of a country is at stake.
Within western Christendom, people in general have always had fears and expectations about the world coming to an horrific, apocalyptic end. To some extent, they have been correct in the times in which they lived, just not in the way they expected. In the pre-Christian era and in other cultures, the same fears about the end of the world have been evident. In Japan, the earthquake tsunami has been called a sort of divine punishment. The day Mount Vesuvius erupted and buried the city of Pompeii in molten lava and volcanic ash, no doubt the same fears were voiced by ancient Romans who managed to survive and live for another day.
Indeed, the CoG7 has speculations that this may indeed be the End Time. It's just that they continue to live their lives without focussing on "The End Times" endlessly with escalating hyperbole, desperate for "The End" to come.
Other, non Armstrongist Sabbath (and Feast keeping) churches seem to have the same approach that they believe that Christ is returning some day, but they don't need to know the day or the hour, since they have their confidence in Jesus Christ and their Faith in God the Father.
It is the living of life day to day in balance without obsessing on the future which seems most sensible to me. The desperation does not.
Intense speculation yielding ever more wildly insane prognostications of doom, destruction, devastation hardly seem in any way useful, except to attract extremely nutty unbalanced people looking for security who can be tapped to provide the revenue stream for ministers to live comfortably both today and in their retirement. The only losers in this scenario seem to be the recruits.
I had an interesting experience today! The teller assisting me as I visited my safe deposit box at the local bank had shared that she was Assyrian! I wanted to make sure I understood properly, so asked her if she had said "Syrian", or "Assyrian".
When she replied that she was Assyrian, I commented that I understood that Assyrians were predominantly Christian people. She told me that that in fact was the case, and added that many of her people are emigrating to other countries from Iraq, due to extreme persecution. Her family's church in Iraq was recently firebombed!
I had no idea there was a sizeable Assyrian population in Arizona, but my new friend actually extended to me an open invitation to visit her church which is located a few miles from the bank.
Imagine the reaction if I were to share this anecdote on some of the old school WCG forums and blogs!
I believe that the leadership of UCG and other splinters either read our forums and blogs more often than we realize, or else tune into TBN.
I know there have been discussions about the ways in which mainstream Christians have carefully analyzed where the gospel has been preached adequately, and have systematically targeted the areas where this has not been done. We've also pointed out that on TBN, there are both apocalyptic and Messianic Jewish teachers, accepted and well-respected. Some of the splinters have picked up on this, either from us or TBN, and have attempted to jump on the bandwagon, only to find that some doors wide open for others are seemingly closed to them. This becomes very confusing to those who believe that HWA preached the true gospel, and who know what has been said about open doors which no man can shut.
Having just taken The Lord's Supper last night with an independent Sabbatarian church of God (which is also keeping the Feast of Tabernacles this year), I would like to share just what the non Armstrongists think of the Armstrongists. I would like to, but that would take too long.
Let's just say that there are those out there who recognize the Armstrongists for the hypocrites they are. That would not be so disturbing except that the Armstrongists are so stridently arrogant in their confident assertive incompetent ignorance. The other Sabbatarians often remark privately and publicly about the idolatry of Herbert Armstrong, not even mentioning that he was a false prophet, embraced, not bewared as commanded in Matthew 7:15.
The Armstrongists should be ashamed of both the slander of the legitimate Sabbath keeping churches of God AND the absolutely terrible example they set. I've had discussions of the reasons the CoG7 doesn't keep the Feasts. One of the many is the example of alcoholism exhibited at the Feast of Tabernacles. As for the Sabbath keeping churches of God, they know! The Armstrongists don't even see their own sins, but they need to realize that their sins are not invisible to the outside world.
As the Armstrongists move toward keeping Passover -- as opposed to the Lord's Supper (they are, after all, Old Testament Christians) -- and onward to the Days of Unleavened Bread, they seem not so much leaving Egypt as to invading it.
A longtime Pasadena insider knows some interesting conspiratorial history on how UCG got started at the 360/380/390 apartments on campus:
"They knew their jobs, their free cars, their homes, their standard of living, paid feast travel, their $10,000.00 + year-end bonuses, etc was about to change...".
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...I feel for you. If it makes you feel any better, I’ve got twenty years’ worth of notebooks filled with Sabbath sermons that are pretty much worthless, except for the margin doodles. And those were only useful to pass the time and keep me from falling asleep — it’s no coincidence the margin doodles increased exponentially in proportion to the actual notes, after the changes!
So, are you going with CoGAmerica, staying with UCG, or doing the smart thing, and staying home, to sort things out for yourself? Hopefully they’ll be too busy to hunt you down, if you choose Option C — they were, when my family left the WCG back in the mid-90s.
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it. Only, instead of theological doctrines getting changed, UCG is arguing over governmental doctrines getting changed. Although, as far as the CoGs are concerned, it’s really all the same thing, isn’t it? Government and theology and doctrine and dogma, all wrapped up in a “true Christian” poison pill.
Bleh, that’s depressing. Better, instead, to think about the coming summer (with no sign of Apocalypse in the forecast — again!!), and the lengthening of the days, signifying the return of the light.
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"like"
I don’t know about you, but I just don’t see the love when members are being suspended for pressing “like” on a Facebook post. I don’t see the love when ministers are fired for telling the truth about how they feel about certain actions. I don’t see the love when no admission of wrongdoing is ever given, but everyone is just told to shut up and submit.
It is difficult to feel joy in an environment like that. I have actually heard of cases of elders listening in on conversations in order to rat people out. What is this? 1995? PCG?
And, of course it is so peaceful these days.
I don’t see the forbearance when members’ and ministers’ opinions are marginalized and censored. In fact, even the slightest criticism, constructive or not, is deleted or followed up on by threatening letters. And, apparently, the elders have received far worse.
Is kindness where you stand up and tell everyone about love and humility and then tell them where the door is?
--John Carmack
What If
What would have happened if the Whining schoolboy, the Chicago dandy, the Oregon pastor and the institution builder would have engaged his theological peers in open and frank doctrinal discussions? Or if he had listened – really listened – to the competent educators with whom he was being surrounded? Yet to pose the question is to appreciate its futility.
--Neal Earle
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Raising The Ruined
WCG minister David Robinson recounted a bizarre late-night conversation with the then-widowed Herbert during a church festival in the Poconos. Armstrong, who had been drinking, was alleged to have confessed to Robinson that he had molested his daughter between 1933 and 1943. Then, to the astonishment of the younger minister, Armstrong was said to have produced a small black book in which he had carefully documented the many times he had masturbated, a practice he had frequently railed against from the pulpit. "It was a shattering experience for my dad," says Mark Robinson, a Dallas-area businessman, whose father died in 1995. "Until then, he had no reason to doubt Mr. Armstrong's spirituality."
The issue arose again in 1984, during divorce proceedings between Armstrong and his second wife, Ramona Martin, a former switchboard operator 46 years his junior. The breakup, after seven years of marriage, was nasty. Armstrong, playing hardball, had accused her of stealing church property and was pressing criminal charges while refusing to bend to Ramona's demands for a large settlement, including a large amount of cash and the couple's sprawling ranch-style home in Tucson, Arizona. Until, that is, shortly before a court hearing at which her lawyers had threatened to introduce a purported "understanding" between Herbert and his wife regarding the alleged incest. The divorce was quickly settled to Ramona's satisfaction, and the criminal charges were dropped.
--Honey, I Shrunk The Church
Tithing Doctrine Changed
The first time I can remember having a question was in November, 1972. At a Bible Study Herbert W. Armstrong announced changes in the tithing doctrine -- AC and WCG employees no longer had to pay third tithe, and ministers had to pay second tithe. What alarmed me was that he didn't quote one scripture or explain, biblically, the reasons we had been wrong and why we were changing. He only referenced certain budgetary reasons such as insufficient excess 2-T, etc. Something I had been taught as being truth from His Word which wasn't to be taken lightly, was casually changed without so much as a verse being read. Interestingly, a couple of months later the decision regarding 2-T being paid by ministers was quietly reversed because of a deluge of complaints from the ministry.
In the course of the WCG board's discussions of the new corporate direction, Dr. Schnippert explained what is meant in church documents by the term "the Ass ociation." Most who would have read the legal documents would have concluded that the term referred to the WCG's lay membership, or at least to its full ministry. NOT so, says Schnippert:
The way the board looks at it, "the Association" refers ONLY to the WCG's Council of Elders - ALL of whom are handpicked by Tkach and ALL of whom can be FIRED by him at will.
Students of European history will notice that, viewed in that light, the WCG's current system of governance is virtually identical to that of the Roman Catholic Church where the Pope handpicks the College of Cardinals and the College then picks his successor. The WCG system is also akin to that reportedly found in some secret societies. We therefore don't hold out much hope that Tkach is serious about implementing changes that would be of real benefit to current, let alone past, WCG members. (AR68-1998)
SO WHO VOTED IN GODFATHER JOE JR. AS WCG-GCI POPE ETERNAL?
It's such a blessing to have the RIGHT TO VOTE. But it has little value unless we exercise it. The Bible teaches us to be responsible citizens, and in our democracies, part of being a responsible citizen is to exercise our right to VOTE. The right to VOTE goes hand in hand with FREEDOM, as well as helps ensure another cherished right, our right to worship as we see fit.
--Joe Tkach Jr.
Nobody voted Tkach Jr. multimillionaire cult president for a lifetime. (At least not in this century.)
And his so-called Board of Elders - if there is a working Board of Elders, governing the millions sacked away in his designer GCI church Association- is completely AWOL from the GCI website. Also missing are the Tkach's honest balance sheets from last twenty-five years. And the written GCI Association bylaws legally governing Tkach Jr.'s Association powers are the same as when Armstrong ruled the WCG abusively with his infallible rod of iron. Tkach Jr. says he has changed. Really. Has Tkach substantially hanged from the corrupt governance methods of his sordid past?
The Only Members of the United Church of God Who Really Count - The Ministry Class!
According to UCG Corporation Bylaws, WHO legally are the only members of United?
6.1 MEMBERS OF THE CORPORATION
The General Conference is the ONLY class of members of this Corporation. Qualifications of members and terms of membership are those described in the Constitution. Members shall have the rights enumerated in the Constitution. In addition, they shall have the RIGHT TO CAST BALLOTS on the disposition of all or substantially ALL OF THE ASSETS of the Corporation and on any election to DISSOLVE the Corporation.
The ONLY MEMBERS of the United Church of God Association are United's ordained ministers in good standing, which include the exclusive Council of Elders authority. If you are not an ordained UCG minister, then, guess what? YOU aren't a corporate member of the United Church, an International Association. And if you aren't a corporate member of the United Association, your opinions, voices and ballots don't count at the Milford, OH headquarters.
Posts That Get Deleted
Anyone notice that hour by hour posts that ask tough questions or point out inconsistencies of the COE get deleted?
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Garner Ted's Memorable Missing Dimension
WARNING: Exercise your own moral discretion as GTA video may offend!
Mostly covered-up at the time, GTA took carnal knowledge of women handpicked for AC admission, seducing many curvaceous, attractive, and memorable Ambassador coeds, women married in the Church of God. Finally cornered into a meeting by COG hierarchy, he began speaking in his own native tongue, recalling his numerous, but by then undeniable sexual affairs. An angry GTA boastfully admitted to the facts, before kept long under cover- slickly using his Bible to convincingly persuade these attractive, young AC college coeds to have sex with him! HWA and others were kept faithfully informed about these many, ongoing ministerial sexual escapades over the years. Even though kept fully informed, nearly every chance he had, strangely Herbert would repeatedly ignore and liberally excuse GTA's sexual misconduct. Those loyal ministers who happened to find themselves under the wrath of Herbert's mercurial rod usually proved not so lucky, getting axed on a whim. Others might suffer through fully-paid COG 'Siberian' internal exile on the beautiful, tropical island paradise of Hawaii, until Herbert cooled off.
But after the ministerial meeting confronting broadcast Ted, incestuous sexual libertineHerbert, given his own sordid personal circumstances, had to play his trump card. He was finally forced to excommunicate his own son, moneymaker Ted, and blow their mutual covers off! A frustrated Herbert literally had no choice left, but to blow his own stack over Ted's own missing dimension! But in this case, it may be said the apple didn't fall very far from the rotten trunk of the original tree.
Steuben
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Send ALL of GOD'S tithes to ME
For the present, REMEMBER, any money sent to me or the Church at Pasadena will go directly into the hands of the court-appointed receiver!
Until further notice, send all of GOD'S tithes (which are HOLY TO HIM), and special offerings, addressed personally to ME, at Box 431, Tucson, Arizona, 85701.
Herbert W. Armstrong January 18, 1979 Letter
Be Creative- Help Cover Church of God Travel Expenses
Aaron Dean said that there are ways to be creative to help cover travel expenses, such as getting free air miles on credit cards. -Aaron Dean at the 2009 GCE Council Meeting
Ed.: He should know! A 747 burns one gallon of creatively funded third-tithe jet fuel expense per second.
Times Of Your Life
The Case of The Prophetic Profit
I remember in the 1930's Herbert Armstrong was prophesying that Mussolini was leading us to Armageddon, as could be seen by the earlier Plain Truths. And then in the 1940's it was Hitler who was going to be the great Beast. Then in the `50's Hitler was still believed to be alive, but it was the seven times prophecy of Leviticus 26 that would leave the U. S. highways desolate in 1965, and World War III in 1972.And up until just a matter of months prior to 1972, Herbert Armstrong still thought there was better than a 50/50 chance we would flee in `72.
In the `60's, of course, the 19-year time cycles were emphasized, and these were basically based around Herbert Armstrong's private life. Absolutely no Biblical proof for it. And I've heard various analogies, all of which have been proven false. But how many lives were damaged in the meanwhile?
--Ken Westby
There's An Ulterior Motive
JMF: I know that many of the pastors that I’ve worked with have a sense of “we need to grow, we need to get the gospel out.” And they put together programs or ideas about how to reach out into the community, how to hold a supper for disadvantaged people or put together a food drive or whatever.
And their goal is to bring people, or attract people to the church and they get very excited if one or two people say, well, hey this is a nice church, maybe we’ll attend. And a couple of people might attend, they might attend for a week or two and then they’re gone.
And with all the programs that have been put out and tried, and to be honest there’s an ulterior motive – it isn’t just, well, people need help and we’re going to help them. It’s we hope that this is going to draw people into the church.
- Feazell to Elmer Coyler
Nothing Ever Happened?
"Forgiveness does not mean that we pretend like nothing ever happened. It does not mean trusting a swindler with money, trusting a wife-beater to not get abusive again, or appointing a child-molester to be a youth pastor."
-Joseph Tkach Jr.
So show us the money, Joe! What have you got to hide?
Did Cultmeister Tkach Lie About Reforming 2009 Still Secret WCG/GCI Church Association Govt Bylaws?
Joe Tkach Jr: Yeah. I would have to, if the board disagreed, under this scenario, I would have to, uh, terminate everyone's responsibility on the board and do that myself.
Larry Mantle: Stuff like that has happened before.
Joe Tkach Jr: Yeah. I don't think I would get away with it.
Larry Mantle: Who would stop you though? If it isin your bylawsallowing you to do it?
Joe Tkach Jr: My family would stop me.
Larry Mantle: Okay. And the bylaws are going to change that? You're NOT going to have that level of authority?
Joe Tkach Jr: As my book tells in the last chapter, that that is something that we have said we are going to do and that is something we are working on. Yeah, I think it is something that we will have completed this year.
Despite whatever they may say to gloss it over, Joseph Tkach has absolute power.
He is on the Doctrinal Advisory team.
He is chair of the Board of Directors. and,
The Pastor General chairs his own Advisory Council of Elders (ACE).
He can rearrange the international churches anyway he wishes, governmentally, doctrinally and financially. And I believe he is the head of every Board of Directors internationally.
Transparency as to how things are done are solely at his discretion.
Members can play church locally but that's as far as they can go.
WCG HQ expects a whole lot of accountability upwards. The Administration Manual is riddled with it.
Joseph Tkach, under the present system, is accountable only to God ... and the government should he break any "man made" criminal or civil laws.
Anne
Herbert Armstrong's Most Destructive Doctrine
Prospective members should know though that despite the friendliness of some there is much more to the "Worldwide Church of God".
If they enter there they will find no financial accountability or say for tithes and offerings sent to HQ. Correct doctrine has no protection. The inner goings on are not for public viewing. And among other things ... it all hinges on one man with over ruling power.
Dr. Tkach is holding onto Herbert Armstrong's central and most destructive doctrine ... the power of the Pastor General .... with a death grip.
--Anne
How Long Does It Take?
It is stated in there that you control the board of directors of the church. So you can pick and choose who is going to be the board of the Worldwide Church of God. That board controls the church and its assets. As a result, effectivelyyou control the church's assets. Is that accurate?
TKACH JR: Ah, not entirely, no. Ah, first of all, I'd mentioned that we are currently in the process of revising our bylawsso that the position I hold is elected ... December 4,1997
Has Junior now trashed his promised church elections?
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Oh darn! And me just now figuring out Mega Menu navigation! For the site refuting British Israelism using DNA!
Time will tell, but I failed to see anything in those topics relating to mental illness and I think that is a significant oversight, given that the entire religion is based on an insane psychotic premise.
So we've upped the technological stakes. Does this mean that the minimum access to the site will require an Intel I7 Q720 with Windows 7 64bit? Will it be better seen on i-pad or in Internet Explorer 9 or Google Chrome 10?
This is all part of the over all push to preach using the Internet and hopefully reach China. I expect that will go as well as their push to go to India five years ago.
The question remains, who is the real target audience? Are they lapsing into an incestuous relationship dedicated to their own more prosperous members to get them to fantasize that they are doing great things to get out the gospel, when, in fact, they are only impressing themselves?
What of the gospel going to those in third world countries, such as are now served by the Seventh Day Church of God publication, The Herald of Truth?
And just think of virtualizing church services replete with all those wonderful Armstrong hymns! You don't have to go anywhere! You can stay and home and fellowship with all the other members online! No human contact necessary! It certainly saves a lot of money that would be wasted renting halls and even getting those Feast site contracts!
May 2011, eh? Too late to cancel the Feast sites for this year, but what with gasoline getting to be $4.00 per gallon just by May, think of the chaos it will be by 2012! Cancel the Feast sites! Stay at home and keep the Feast! One wonders how virtual footwashing will work!?!
Ah, the technological wonders for those who are rich and increased in hardware / software and have need of nothing!
The handwriting seems to be on the wall. The handwriting isn't about going to an all technological virtual church preparing a virtual people.
The handwriting on the wall has everything to do with being measured and found wanting.
I doubt virtual repentance is going to be acceptable.
Doug,
Churches of God love to brag and spin tall tales about delivering so much of what they have to say on the web, because it's a major cost cutter for a television and AM radio based church. Printed literature is very expensive to buy and mail. Television is getting less affordable with the spendable dollars that remain.
Now it's possible to get all of Armstrong's formerly secret beliefs out in the open with a few mouse clicks, so Armstrong's bit by bit conversion model (read: brainwashing method) has to change. All the playing cards have to be laid out on the table, with no doctrinal "aces" hidden up the sleeve. No worry about that - there's a new sucker born every minute.
Dave Pack was a case in point from Gary Scott's XCG blog. Pack can't afford television, so he brags about the internet, while keeping his members off of it.
What can be hyped? Number of hits, new visitors, return visitors, downloaded literature, downloaded prophecy booklets, for example - all of the ways web data collection can be analyzed which corporations expect to turn into growth, value, brand goodwill, or income streams.
Based on bottom line results, it's reminiscent of the internet bubble where companies were overvalued IPOs destined to become worthless stock.
The bottom line is, the Churches of God are no longer growing in real members. They are dying off and shrinking. If they aren't, point to the facts that prove it.
Same thing for Tkach's designer GCI scheme.The real stories of Herbert and Garner Ted Armstrong, not their carefully crafted public images, sowed the ultimate seeds of destruction.
Aging member demographics, a costly Medicare age ministry, and young people leaving the COGs as fast as they can support this lack of real growth premise. Spinning tall tales about internet growth doesn't. I suspect the bulk of the traffic generated comes from Worldwiders checking their own brand and other COGs out, not from a demand for the free product offered.
Stan, all your observations are on point.
Behind the scenes though, there are some of us discussing the fact that there seems to be something going on. Some of us are speculating that with more closed websites as the UCG site appears to becoming, many Churches of God are beginning to wind up "The Work" because they believe the End is Coming, whatever that can mean. They view the world as being full of "End Time Events" which they now believe are signalling that they are about to WIN really BIG and that the proof they were right all along is going to be evident to the whole world shortly.
And I wonder if the CoGs will begin engaging in dangerous behavior as a result, such as convincing members to dump everything they have into their particular sect?
Doug,
The COGs can be placed on a spectrum, with individual freedom or choice towards the left side, to totalitarian control towards the right. In this model, the RCG of the fifties would be placed to the far right side of the spectrum, with the WCG of the seventies more to the left. HWA’s “back on track” policy 1980-1986 shifts the WCG back more towards the right.
In 2011, an outside observer would place Flurry to the far right of the spectrum, and Pack somewhere in that vicinity. The UCG, run to some extent by group consensus, with discrete terms of office, would fall somewhere on the left hand side of the continuum. LCG, controlled by Meredith’s one-man rule, would somewhere to the right of UCG.
A similar comparison could be made in terms of current web sites. COGaWA’s website is developing some content, but is still in preliminary stages of deployment.
The last time I checked, Hulme appeared to have more of a closed website stance, with less information available to outsiders.
UCG’s new website is in beta stage. It looks to be in more of the open and up front category. There is no more Ambassador College for the graduates to secretly hide the Church behind anymore. What is most intriguing about the site is how registered UCG members may chat up to recruit the more casual non-member visitors, and what will be visible to both.
The “End Time” has always been coming to humankind with each passing day, since the beginning of life, where we like it or not. Science predicts the demise and collapse of our solar system one day. What will we do then? We are allotted only a short span of life in the greater context of time. Faced with our own mortality, people want to assign meaning to life, and imagine an immortal happiness of one sort or another.
One thing that is certain about life is that it is very uncertain. Life in the 1700s was far different than in the 1800s, than in the 1900s, than in 2000, and it will undoubtedly be far different in 3000 than we could possible imagine today, by any stretch of the imagination. Futurists have severe difficulty correctly projecting the future only a few months or years out. One only needs to look back at some of the dire predictions of the seventies to understand the magnitude of the difficulty. Perhaps what is more of a constant variable in this are the essential characteristics of humankind.
Uncertainty in life has always been a given. The future is even less certain, where the unknowns greatly outnumber the known. People love certainty, because it reduces risk, and the fear of the unknown happening. At the same time, fear of the unknown in life can be exploited to advantage. Religion has exploited the use of fear and uncertainty since time immemorial; but so has business, and politics. Uncertainty and fear about food supplies, economic issues, natural disasters, disease epidemics, and likelihood of war can always be exploited. Witness the ads telling people to put their money in gold, precious metals, real estate, or other “surefire” investments to play on the fear of paper money becoming worthless in the future. Politicians can demagog playing their fear card, when an economy crumbles and survival of a country is at stake.
Within western Christendom, people in general have always had fears and expectations about the world coming to an horrific, apocalyptic end. To some extent, they have been correct in the times in which they lived, just not in the way they expected. In the pre-Christian era and in other cultures, the same fears about the end of the world have been evident. In Japan, the earthquake tsunami has been called a sort of divine punishment. The day Mount Vesuvius erupted and buried the city of Pompeii in molten lava and volcanic ash, no doubt the same fears were voiced by ancient Romans who managed to survive and live for another day.
Indeed, the CoG7 has speculations that this may indeed be the End Time. It's just that they continue to live their lives without focussing on "The End Times" endlessly with escalating hyperbole, desperate for "The End" to come.
Other, non Armstrongist Sabbath (and Feast keeping) churches seem to have the same approach that they believe that Christ is returning some day, but they don't need to know the day or the hour, since they have their confidence in Jesus Christ and their Faith in God the Father.
It is the living of life day to day in balance without obsessing on the future which seems most sensible to me. The desperation does not.
Intense speculation yielding ever more wildly insane prognostications of doom, destruction, devastation hardly seem in any way useful, except to attract extremely nutty unbalanced people looking for security who can be tapped to provide the revenue stream for ministers to live comfortably both today and in their retirement. The only losers in this scenario seem to be the recruits.
I had an interesting experience today! The teller assisting me as I visited my safe deposit box at the local bank had shared that she was Assyrian! I wanted to make sure I understood properly, so asked her if she had said "Syrian", or "Assyrian".
When she replied that she was Assyrian, I commented that I understood that Assyrians were predominantly Christian people. She told me that that in fact was the case, and added that many of her people are emigrating to other countries from Iraq, due to extreme persecution. Her family's church in Iraq was recently firebombed!
I had no idea there was a sizeable Assyrian population in Arizona, but my new friend actually extended to me an open invitation to visit her church which is located a few miles from the bank.
Imagine the reaction if I were to share this anecdote on some of the old school WCG forums and blogs!
BB
Douglas,
I believe that the leadership of UCG and other splinters either read our forums and blogs more often than we realize, or else tune into TBN.
I know there have been discussions about the ways in which mainstream Christians have carefully analyzed where the gospel has been preached adequately, and have systematically targeted the areas where this has not been done. We've also pointed out that on TBN, there are both apocalyptic and Messianic Jewish teachers, accepted and well-respected. Some of the splinters have picked up on this, either from us or TBN, and have attempted to jump on the bandwagon, only to find that some doors wide open for others are seemingly closed to them. This becomes very confusing to those who believe that HWA preached the true gospel, and who know what has been said about open doors which no man can shut.
BB
Having just taken The Lord's Supper last night with an independent Sabbatarian church of God (which is also keeping the Feast of Tabernacles this year), I would like to share just what the non Armstrongists think of the Armstrongists. I would like to, but that would take too long.
Let's just say that there are those out there who recognize the Armstrongists for the hypocrites they are. That would not be so disturbing except that the Armstrongists are so stridently arrogant in their confident assertive incompetent ignorance. The other Sabbatarians often remark privately and publicly about the idolatry of Herbert Armstrong, not even mentioning that he was a false prophet, embraced, not bewared as commanded in Matthew 7:15.
The Armstrongists should be ashamed of both the slander of the legitimate Sabbath keeping churches of God AND the absolutely terrible example they set. I've had discussions of the reasons the CoG7 doesn't keep the Feasts. One of the many is the example of alcoholism exhibited at the Feast of Tabernacles. As for the Sabbath keeping churches of God, they know! The Armstrongists don't even see their own sins, but they need to realize that their sins are not invisible to the outside world.
As the Armstrongists move toward keeping Passover -- as opposed to the Lord's Supper (they are, after all, Old Testament Christians) -- and onward to the Days of Unleavened Bread, they seem not so much leaving Egypt as to invading it.
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